Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/25/1997 07:00 PM House FIN

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 HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
 MARCH 25, 1997                                                                
 7:00 P.M.                                                                     
                                                                               
TAPE HFC 97 - 78, Side 1, #000 - end.                                          
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TAPE HFC 97 - 79, Side 1, #000 - end.                                          
TAPE HFC 97 - 79, Side 2, #000 - end.                                          
TAPE HFC 97 - 80, Side 1, #000 - #080.                                         
                                                                               
CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Co-Chair Mark Hanley called the House Finance Committee meeting to             
order at 7:00 P.M.                                                             
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
Co-Chair Hanley   Representative Kelly                                         
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Kohring                                   
Representative Davies  Representative Martin                                   
Representative Davis  Representative Moses                                     
Representative Foster  Representative Grussendorf                              
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the meeting.                         
                                                                               
ALSO PRESENT                                                                   
                                                                               
Representative Kim Elton; Representative Ethan Berkowitz; Annalee              
McConnell, Director, Office of Management & Budget, Office of the              
Governor; Susan Taylor, Fiscal Analyst, Legislative Finance                    
Division; Peter Ecklund, Staff, Representative Bill Williams;                  
Larry LaBolle, Staff, Representative Richard Foster; Nancy Slagle,             
Director, Division of Administrative Services, Department of                   
Transportation and Public Facilities; Mike Greany, Director,                   
Division of Legislative Finance; Fred Fisher, Director, Division               
of Administrative Services, Department of Law; Barbara Ritchie,                
Deputy Attorney General, Civil Division, Department of Law; Dean               
Guaneli, Chief Assistant Attorney General, Legal Services Section,             
Criminal Section, Department of Law; Sharon Barton, Director,                  
Division of Administrative Services, Department of Administration;             
Jay Delany, Director, Division of Motor Vehicles, Department of                
Administration; Karen Rehfeld, Director, Division of                           
Administrative Services, Department of Education; Virginia                     
Stonkus, Fiscal Analyst, Legislative Finance Division.                         
                                                                               
SUMMARY                                                                        
                                                                               
HB 75 An Act making appropriations for the operating and loan                  
program expenses of state government, for certain                              
programs, and to capitalize funds; and providing for an                        
effective date.                                                                
                                                                               
 HB 75 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                        
                                                                               
HB 76 An Act making appropriations for the operating expenses of               
the state's integrated comprehensive mental health                             
program; and providing for an effective date.                                  
                                                                               
 HB 76 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                        
                                                                               
AMENDMENTS:                                                                    
                                                                               
 DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION & PUBLIC FACILITIES                              
 DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                             
 DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                  
 DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                       
HOUSE BILL 75                                                                  
                                                                               
 "An Act making appropriations for the operating and loan                      
program expenses of state government, for certain programs,                    
and to capitalize funds; and providing for an effective                        
date."                                                                         
                                                                               
HOUSE BILL 76                                                                  
                                                                               
 "An Act making appropriations for the operating expenses of                   
the state's integrated comprehensive mental health program;                    
and providing for an effective date."                                          
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                             
                                                                               
Representative Foster MOVED to adopt TRANS-#1.  [Copy on file].                
Representative Foster noted that he offered the amendment on                   
behalf of Representative Williams.                                             
                                                                               
PETER ECKLUND, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE BILL WILLIAMS, explained that             
the amendment would restore $200 thousand dollars of the funding               
removed by the unallocated reduction to the Alaska Marine Highway              
System and $200 thousand dollars to restore expenditure authority              
in the Marine Management BRU from the personal service funding for             
management level positions.                                                    
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault spoke to the $200 thousand dollar reduction.               
Mr. Ecklund pointed out that the two appropriations would have the             
same money, although, the front section would need to be amended.              
 The additional amount would be $200 thousand dollars.                         
Representative Foster noted that an unallocated cut had been                   
evenly distributed throughout the Marine Highway component.                    
                                                                               
LARRY LABOLLE, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE RICHARD FOSTER, spoke to the              
percent cut in each allocation.  The subcommittee's intent was to              
"hold harmless" maintenance and scheduling operations.  The cut                
percentage was rationed out of general funds after the other funds             
were backed out, leaving $28.6 million general fund dollars and                
$12 million dollars to statewide services.  He reiterated that the             
cut had been proportioned within the components.                               
                                                                               
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                   
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, agreed with                
the intent of the subcommittee's action.  She noted that the                   
Department's Commissioner's office is moderately sized for a                   
statewide budget distribution of a $340 million dollar operating               
and a $220 million dollar capital.                                             
                                                                               
Mr. Ecklund advised that it was Representative Williams intent                 
that the Commissioner's office reduce some staff in upper-                     
management, although, the regional director positions would not be             
affected.                                                                      
Representative J. Davies questioned the need for two                           
appropriations.  Ms. Slagle advised that the Marine Highway                    
Stabilization Fund was comprised of two different areas, with $40              
million dollars in receipts from the Marine Highway System and a               
$28 million dollar appropriation to the front section of the bill.             
Mr. Ecklund commented that the funding would restore $200 thousand             
dollars back to the operations of the Marine Highway System so                 
that service to the public would not be reduced.                               
                                                                               
In response to Representative G. Davis' comment, Ms. Slagle                    
explained that the DOT&PF Administration office consists of                    
funding by two appropriations.  One from the Marine Highway System             
and one is from the remainder of the Department's funding                      
allocation.  The Commissioner's office resides in that                         
appropriation giving the Department some flexibility in                        
transferring money.  She reiterated that it was the intent of the              
subcommittee to keep operations and maintenance "harmless" from                
reduction.  Ms. Slagle pointed out that the Department is                      
currently in the process of reviewing management concerns.                     
                                                                               
Representative Kohring OBJECTED to passage of the amendment.                   
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Kelly, G. Davis, Grussendorf, Foster, Hanley,                       
Therriault                                                                     
 OPPOSED: Kohring, Martin, Moses, J. Davies                                    
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION PASSED (6-4).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Foster MOVED to adopt TRANS-#2.  [Copy on file].                
Mr. Ecklund explained that the amendment would restore a portion               
of the funding removed from the component by an unallocated                    
reduction of $140 thousand dollars to the Marine Highway System.               
                                                                               
Ms. Slagle explained that this reference had been to a single                  
appropriation made from several BRU's.  The total amount of the                
unallocated reduction had been taken from the first available                  
component, support services.  Even though it is indicated in                   
support services, is not necessarily the component from which it               
will be absorbed from.  Representative Martin OBJECTED to adopting             
TRANS-#2.                                                                      
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Moses, J. Davies, G. Davis, Grussendorf, Foster,                    
Kelly, Hanley                                                                  
 OPPOSED: Kohring, Martin, Therriault                                          
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION PASSED (7-3).                                                       
                                                                               
MIKE GREANY, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF LEGISLATIVE FINANCE, advised                
that there were three components which had an extended lapse date.             
 Ordinarily, appropriations lapse on June 30th.  For the three                 
highway/aviation components contained in the bill, there is an                 
August 30th lapse date.  He recommended that language be included              
in the bill.  Co-Chair Hanley requested a written copy of the                  
information and noted that the Committee would address it at that              
time.                                                                          
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                              
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt LAW-#1.  [Copy on file].             
 Representative Martin OBJECTED.                                               
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf explained that the three positions in               
the Department for the Criminal Division had not been previously               
funded and would further reduce the ability of that division to                
handle the number of cases which come before them.  The current                
vacancy factor is 6.9%, while at the same time, since January,                 
there have been forty-eight bills introduced which will increase               
activities and penalties directly affected by the reduction.                   
                                                                               
Representative Martin responded that the positions chosen to be                
deleted had been vacant for the longest time and would be the                  
mostly costly to refill.                                                       
                                                                               
FRED FISHER, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                    
DEPARTMENT OF LAW, explained that the original proposal was to                 
delete the referenced positions and add a new position in Kenai.               
Since that time, the position in Kenai was deleted.                            
                                                                               
DEAN GUANELI, CHIEF ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL, LEGAL SERVICES                 
SECTION, CRIMINAL SECTION, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, commented that an                
attorney and paralegal had been transferred from Anchorage to the              
Kenai office.  He stressed that the deletion to the two positions              
in the Criminal Division was a "serious" cut to the Department and             
that lay-offs would result.                                                    
                                                                               
Representative Martin disagreed that it would be necessary to                  
switch an attorney from Anchorage to Kenai.  He stressed that the              
position had been vacant since 1994 and therefore, was not needed.             
 Representative J. Davies stressed that there was a "big"                      
difference between eliminating PCN's and not funding the requested             
positions.                                                                     
Co-Chair Hanley pointed out that the proposed budget was an                    
increment over the FY97 budget.  Mr. Fisher noted that the                     
increase would cover salary increases.  Also included was an                   
increment to the Department of Fish and Game prosecuting attorney              
from Fish and Game funds.  Co-Chair Hanley inquired if it had been             
the subcommittee's intent to reduce the number of attorneys.                   
Representative Martin responded that if the positions were vacant,             
that was the subcommittee's intent.                                            
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Moses, J. Davies, Grussendorf                                       
 OPPOSED: Martin, G. Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Hanley,                    
Therriault                                                                     
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf revised LAW-#2 by deleting $164.6 GF                
and inserting $139.6 GF and $25.0 inter-agency receipts.  [Copy on             
file]. Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt LAW-#2.  He added             
that the Department of Law's budget was reduced by $2,381.9                    
thousand general funds dollars and that the Department's cap was               
$1,500.0 thousand general fund dollars; he stressed that no                    
decrement should be taken.                                                     
                                                                               
(Tape Change HFC 97-78, Side 2).                                               
                                                                               
Representative Martin acknowledged that he would support some                  
funding.  Mr. Fisher noted that funding would be appropriately                 
indicated as interagency receipts since it was coming to the                   
Department of Law from the Department of Natural Resources (DNR)               
rather than from the Mental Health Trust authority.  Co-Chair                  
Hanley questioned how the money would move to DNR.  Mr. Fisher                 
explained that the Trust Authority had budgeted $25 thousand                   
dollars for professional services.                                             
                                                                               
There being NO OBJECTIONS to the revised LAW-#2, it was adopted.               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt LAW-#3.  [Copy on file].             
 Co-Chair Hanley OBJECTED for the purpose of discussion.                       
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf explained that the amendment would                  
provide $500 thousand general fund dollars to the Department for               
covering expenses of oil and gas litigation.  He pointed out that              
component had been cut by 20% percent, while at the same time, the             
State is owed $1.4 billion dollars.                                            
                                                                               
Representative Martin argued that the money was encumbered and                 
that the Department would have the opportunity to present cases to             
the Legislature as they arise.  Co-Chair Therriault stressed that              
the Department should not be left with the understanding that they             
can come back and request supplemental funding.                                
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf WITHDREW LAW-#3.  There being NO                    
OBJECTION, it was withdrawn.  He reiterated his primary concern                
was stipulated in LAW-#1.                                                      
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                   
                                                                               
Representative G. Davis WITHDREW ADMIN-#1.  [Copy on file].  There             
being NO OBJECTION, it was WITHDRAWN.                                          
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt ADMIN-#2.  [Copy on                  
file].  Co-Chair Hanley OBJECTED for the purpose of discussion.                
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf spoke to the need for the $50 thousand              
dollar allocation to cover costs incurred by a pilot program                   
established by the previous Legislature.  Representative G. Davis              
reported that the project's completion date would be June 30,                  
1997, and that the request would not provide a reduction in                    
savings.                                                                       
                                                                               
SHARON BARTON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                  
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, corrected Representative Davis                   
pointing out that the proposed reduction with the additional                   
reduction to Labor Relations would be "harmful" to the re-                     
engineering process.  Because of reductions throughout the years,              
the Division of Personnel has delegated everything possible to the             
individual departments.  She stressed that there is not $50                    
thousand dollars in the budget which can be reduced without                    
affecting the re-engineering projects.                                         
                                                                               
Representative G. Davis agreed that re-engineering would benefit               
everyone in the long run and noted that he would support it if the             
Department believed it was a "top priority".  He admitted that he              
had initially misunderstood that there would be savings projected              
from the cut.  Co-Chair Therriault questioned where the cut could              
be shifted too.  Representative G. Davis pointed out that it could             
be a $100 thousand dollar Finance Division cut.                                
                                                                               
Ms. Barton spoke to effects of the projected budget cuts and the               
affect they will have on labor negotiations during the following               
year.  The Department needs at least six months for negotiation                
preparation time.  The team is now focusing on "cleaning up" the               
"grievance backlog".  The negotiators organize through the Labor               
Relations unit which has been merged into the Division of                      
Personnel.                                                                     
                                                                               
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the reduction to leasing would be                 
realized this year or would the Legislature be faced with an                   
additional supplemental request.  Ms. Barton acknowledged that the             
leasing budget would probably be in the supplemental request next              
year.  The Governor has allocated money for leasing in his                     
spending plan.  Co-Chair Hanley was critical that the Governor had             
not requested enough to fully fund leasing.  Ms. Barton agreed                 
that the Governor's leasing budget was less than the projected                 
costs by approximately $1 million dollars.                                     
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Moses, J. Davies, G. Davis, Grussendorf, Kelly                      
 OPPOSED:  Foster, Kohring, Martin, Therriault, Hanley                         
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (5-5).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt ADMIN-#3.  [Copy on                  
file].  Representative G. Davis OBJECTED.                                      
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf explained that the amendment would                  
place $100 thousand dollars back into the Division of Motor                    
Vehicles (DMV) field service offices.  Representative G. Davis                 
agreed that the funds had been transferred to achieve savings and              
to streamline the Division, specifying that the component had been             
given a $100 thousand dollar unallocated reduction.                            
                                                                               
Co-Chair Hanley asked if the allocated amount was the same as the              
amount in last year's budget.  Ms. Barton understood that there                
were no increments in the budget except for the salary and health              
insurance increase.                                                            
                                                                               
SUSAN TAYLOR, FISCAL ANALYSTS, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE DIVISION,                   
pointed out that the Division of Motor Vehicles BRU had some                   
administration costs which had been transferred over from the                  
Department of Public Safety (DPS) to the Department of                         
Administration (DOA).                                                          
                                                                               
JAY DELANY, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES (DMV), DEPARTMENT             
OF ADMINISTRATION, responded to Co-Chair Hanley's question                     
regarding the efficiencies in motor vehicle registrations and                  
noted that any savings to the Division would not be realized until             
the middle of FY98.  Representative J. Davies emphasized that the              
proposal initially promised more efficiency in "reducing" the                  
lines at the DMV.                                                              
                                                                               
(Tape Change HFC 97-79, Side 1).                                               
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: J. Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                       
 OPPOSED:  G. Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin,                           
Moses, Hanley, Therriault                                                      
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt ADMIN-#4.  [Copy on                  
file].  Representative G. Davis OBJECTED.                                      
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf explained that the amendment would add              
$50 thousand dollars to the labor relations component.                         
Representative G. Davis pointed out that there are no major labor              
negotiations occurring this year.  The effort of the employees                 
within this component would be to reduce grievances and claims.                
There is an additional component geared toward the required                    
management supervisory training.  He suggested that the amount to              
be absorbed was modest and could be incorporated.                              
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies asked if it was the subcommittee's intent             
to further fund the component at a later date when more labor                  
contracts need to be addressed.  Ms. Barton clarified that the                 
requested $50 thousand dollars had been earmarked for the                      
supervisory bargaining unit agreement for management training and              
was not funding which could flow into the labor relations                      
component.                                                                     
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Moses, J. Davies                                       
 OPPOSED: G. Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin,                            
Therriault, Hanley                                                             
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt ADMIN-#5.  [Copy on                  
file].  Representative G. Davis OBJECTED.                                      
                                                                               
Representative Grussendorf explained that the amendment would add              
$50 thousand dollars to protection, community services and the                 
administration component for senior services.  The allocation                  
would provide funding for license review of elderly home                       
conditions.                                                                    
                                                                               
Representative G. Davis directed attention to the fact that this               
component had been moved over from the Department of Health and                
Social Services (DHSS).  He suggested that the amount could be                 
absorbed through greater efficiencies.  Representative Kohring                 
spoke in favor of the amendment which supports senior citizens.                
Ms. Barton stressed that the cut would have a $50 thousand dollar              
effect on services to seniors particularly to the assisted living              
licensing review and the general relief supplements for adult                  
foster care.  That component has never been fully funded, and that             
currently, there is tremendous amount of growth in those areas.                
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Kohring, Moses, J. Davies                              
 OPPOSED: Foster, Kelly, Martin, G. Davis, Hanley,                             
Therriault                                                                     
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (4-6).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt ADMIN-#6.  [Copy on file].             
 Representative G. Davis OBJECTED.                                             
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies explained that the amendment would bring              
the Office of Public Advocacy (OPA) up to the FY98 level (FY98                 
authorized including House level of funding in supplemental).  At              
the subcommittee level, OPA was funded below FY97 authorized plus              
the supplemental requested.                                                    
                                                                               
He clarified OPA's primary areas of responsibility:                            
                                                                               
 *Provides guardian ad litem representation to abused                          
and neglected children;                                                        
 *Assigned whenever the Public Defender has a conflict                         
of interest in a case; and                                                     
 *Public guardian section (acts as guardian and/or                             
conservator for citizens who suffer from one of                                
more disabilities and whom the court has decided                               
are unable to manage their own affairs).                                       
                                                                               
Co-Chair Hanley questioned why the Governor's proposed budget did              
not fully fund OPA.  Ms. Barton responded that the Governor's                  
recommendation did not fund OPA to the projected costs for FY98                
because their Office did not realize the anticipated growth in                 
that area.  Co-Chair Hanley cited that it was not the                          
Legislature's intent to fund any more than that requested by the               
Governor.  He summarized that additional money would not be                    
provided through next year's supplemental.                                     
                                                                               
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET,                  
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR, acknowledged that the Administration has               
been trying to avoid the "supplemental" practice, particularly in              
the areas of OPA, leasing and Public Defender (PD).  She agreed                
that the funding should have been addressed through the operating              
budget and not through the supplemental.  Discussion followed                  
regarding a memo distributed by the Legislature to the Governor's              
Office regarding budgetary requests and supplemental funding.                  
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Grussendorf, Moses, J. Davies                                       
 OPPOSED: Kelly, Kohring, Martin, G. Davis, Foster,                            
Therriault, Hanley                                                             
                                                                               
Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                            
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                       
                                                                               
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                        
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to adopt ED-#1 which would grant                    
authority to accept federal funds for "foodstuffs" available to                
children.  [Copy on file].  There being NO OBJECTION, ED-#1 was                
adopted.                                                                       
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to adopt ED-#2 which would provide                  
carryover due to the federal holdup of funds.  [Copy on file].                 
There being NO OBJECTION, ED-#2 was adopted.                                   
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to adopt ED-#3.  [Copy on file].  There             
being NO OBJECTION, ED-#3 was adopted.                                         
                                                                               
Representative Kelly WITHDREW ED-#4.  [Copy on file].  There being             
NO OBJECTION, ED-#4 was WITHDRAWN.                                             
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to adopt ED-#5 which would correct an               
oversight error in the original budget document.  [Copy on file].              
 He noted that no new funds would be involved.  There being NO                 
OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                     
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to adopt ED-#6 which would adopt                    
program receipt authority for the Alaska State museums, deleting               
general funds and replacing it with that authority.  [Copy on                  
file].  There being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                              
                                                                               
Representative Kelly WITHDREW ED-#7.  [Copy on file].  There being             
NO OBJECTION, the amendment was WITHDRAWN.                                     
                                                                               
Representative Kelly WITHDREW ED-#8.  [Copy on file].  There being             
NO OBJECTION, ED-#8 was WITHDRAWN.                                             
                                                                               
Co-Chair Hanley revised ED-#9, changing $270 thousand general fund             
dollars to $135 general fund dollars each to Vocational                        
Rehabilitation and AVTEC.  [Copy on file].  That action would                  
reduce the Alaska State Archives component to $80 thousand                     
dollars, the Governor's requested amount.  Representative J.                   
Davies questioned if that funding would allow the second archives              
position to be maintained.                                                     
KAREN REHFELD, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                  
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, explained that the cut would provide for              
only a part-time position.  The Department will be loosing Capital             
Improvement Project (CIP) receipts at the end of this fiscal year.             
 The archives component is budgeted at maximum vacancy and would               
not be able to fully fund a full time position.                                
                                                                               
Co-Chair Hanley offered an additional revision to the amendment,               
reducing by $10 thousand dollars each the VocRehab and AVTEC add-              
backs and reducing the Alaska State Archives by $80 thousand                   
dollars.  Co-Chair Hanley MOVED to adopt the amended ED-#9.  There             
being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                            
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies WITHDREW ED-#10.  [Copy on file].  There              
being NO OBJECTION, it was WITHDRAWN.                                          
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt ED-#11.  [Copy on file].               
Representative Kelly OBJECTED.                                                 
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON explained that the amendment would                    
restore the 67% funding which had been cut from the State Board of             
Education, including the one support position assigned to the                  
board.  Representative Kelly proposed that the board needed to be              
more independent.  Ms. Rehfeld explained that the position cut was             
an existing position which had been reassigned in the FY98 budget;             
that person had been transferred in to the State Board budget                  
position.  It is funded entirely to charge-back funds in the                   
Department of Education.  The reduction will eliminate all the                 
inter-agency receipts, the position and the general fund support               
for the State Board.                                                           
                                                                               
Representative Kelly noted that he would support a $49.1 thousand              
dollar personal services line item.  He did not support the travel             
component.  Representative Kelly MOVED to amend ED-#11, deleting               
the general fund $40.2 thousand dollars and leaving the                        
interagency receipts.  Ms. Rehfeld understood that the intent of               
the amendment was to restore the $49.1 thousand dollars in                     
personal services from interagency receipts.                                   
                                                                               
There being NO OBJECTION, the amended ED-#11 was adopted.                      
                                                                               
Representative Kelly provided a conceptual amendment to ED-#9(a),              
clarifying that the intent was to restore the designated program               
receipts line to $312.7 thousand dollars for projects funded by                
corporate receipts.                                                            
                                                                               
(Tape Change HFC 97-79, Side 2).                                               
                                                                               
There being NO OBJECTION, ED-#9(a) was adopted.                                
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt ED-#13.  [Copy on file].               
Representative Kelly OBJECTED.                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Elton noted that ED=#13 would restore general                   
funding which would:                                                           
                                                                               
 *Protect the receipt of over $4 million dollars in                            
federal funds for vocational education;                                        
 *Maintain the statewide testing program; and                                  
 *Maintain the Youth and Justice program to increase                           
parental involvement as a means of addressing at-                              
risk youth.                                                                    
                                                                               
Representative Kelly noted that these funds are not in danger as               
alluded by Representative Elton.  Ms. Rehfeld noted that the                   
component contained $713 thousand general fund dollars; the $184               
thousand dollars was a match amount.  The cut would be significant             
to the general fund support for the testing program.  A reduction              
of the proposed size will limit the Department's ability to have a             
quality testing program and will substantially jeopardize the                  
federal match.  There are few personnel associated in the State                
general fund dollars that support the activities of the teaching               
and learning support for the quality schools component.                        
Representative J. Davies voiced a conflict in that his wife is a               
public school teacher.                                                         
                                                                               
Representative Kelly argued that this is a large BRU and that the              
Commissioner has the authority to move money around.  He did not               
agree that the funds were in jeopardy, stressing that cuts must be             
made to achieve the cap.                                                       
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: J. Davies, Grussendorf                                              
 OPPOSED: Kelly, Kohring, Martin, G. Davis, Foster, Hanley,                    
Therriault                                                                     
                                                                               
Representative Mulder and Representative Moses were not present                
for the vote.                                                                  
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (2-7).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt ED-#14.  [Copy on file].               
Representative Kelly OBJECTED.                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Elton explained that the amendment would restore                
general funds in order to:                                                     
                                                                               
 *Prevent a guaranteed loss of $668.0 federal funds for                        
Adult Basic Education (ABE); and                                               
 *Prevent a potential loss of $8 million federal funds                         
for Special Education as a result of not meeting                               
federal maintenance of effort requirements.                                    
                                                                               
Representative Kelly noted that there had been an effort to                    
combine the BRU's in the Department.  The rational was to address              
those items which were not directly student related.                           
Representative J. Davies pointed out that $600 thousand dollars                
would be impacted the Adult Basic Ed component and would be a                  
substantial impact to students as that service provides 30% of all             
high school diplomas given in the State.                                       
                                                                               
Ms. Rehfeld noted that with a reduction to the general fund                    
support, the Department will loose the federal ABE funds in FY99.              
 In the component there is only $200 thousand dollars in general               
funds.  Representative Grussendorf voiced support of the General               
Education Diploma (GED) and the small investment required of the               
State for the continued receipt of federal funding.                            
                                                                               
Ms. Rehfeld explained that there has been no change in the general             
fund support for either the Adult Basic Education program or the               
amount of general fund for the Special Education staff.  The                   
Department transferred components into the Special and                         
Supplemental Services component in total.                                      
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies added that the Adult Basic Education                  
program was one of the most cost effective program the State has,              
compared to K-12 support.  The Adult Basic Education program                   
targets students in the age group 18-24 years old.  Ms. Rehfeld                
spoke to the federal requirement of a maintenance of effort.  At               
risk would be $668 thousand federal fund dollars in FY99 if the                
State should fail to meet the maintenance of effort.  She                      
continued, $8 million dollars federal special education funding                
could be jeopardized because of supplanting issues.  Special                   
Education funds are made available to the State of Alaska based                
upon the number of children being served.  The Department through              
the State's Foundation Formula distributes close to $100 million               
dollars for Special Education.  There are general funds which help             
support those staff persons.                                                   
                                                                               
Representative Foster stressed the need for continued support for              
GED funding in Bush Alaska.  He voiced support for the amendment.              
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to AMEND ED-#14, restoring $100                     
thousand dollars.  Ms. Rehfeld explained that the Committee had                
not reduced the grant amount.  The reductions occurred to line                 
items where there are no general fund dollars.  The remaining                  
reduction of $260.8 thousand dollars would be removed from the                 
personal service components.  The Department can not accommodate               
the cuts.                                                                      
                                                                               
Representative Kelly MOVED to revise ED-#14, restoring the                     
contractual line to $150.0 thousand dollars.  There being NO                   
OBJECTION, it was amended. There being NO OBJECTIONS to the                    
amended ED-#14, it was adopted.                                                
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies MOVED to adopt ED-#15.  [Copy on file].               
Representative Kelly OBJECTED.                                                 
                                                                               
Representative Elton commented that the amendment would restore                
funding for the one position currently responsible for teacher                 
certification.                                                                 
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Kohring, J. Davies, Grussendorf, Foster                             
 OPPOSED: Martin, G. Davis, Kelly, Therriault, Hanley                          
                                                                               
Representatives Mulder and Moses were not present for the vote.                
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (4-5).                                                       
                                                                               
Representative J. Davies revised ED-#16, changing the total amount             
to $254 thousand dollars.  [Copy on file].  Representative J.                  
Davies MOVED the revised ED-#16.  Representative Kelly OBJECTED.               
Representative Elton explained that the amendment would restore                
general funds in order to:                                                     
                                                                               
 *Prevent a guaranteed loss of $379.4 thousand dollars                         
in federal funds for a net loss of $758.8 thousand                             
dollars, eliminating services to 1000 disabled                                 
Alaskans.                                                                      
                                                                               
Representative Kelly stated that the amendment would provide an                
increase over FY97 proposed budget.  He pointed out that there are             
many programs which need funding.  He did not support funding the              
proposed program.                                                              
                                                                               
Ms. Rehfeld advised that the Department had included an increase               
in federal authorization based on carry-forward authorization,                 
which had been requested in this years supplemental bill.  There               
is an increase on the federal level budget for the Rehab Program.              
                                                                               
(Tape Change HFC 97-80, Side 1).                                               
                                                                               
A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                      
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: J. Davies, Grussendorf                                              
 OPPOSED: Martin, G. Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Hanley,                    
Therriault                                                                     
                                                                               
Representatives Moses and Mulder were not present for the vote.                
                                                                               
The MOTION FAILED (2-7).                                                       
                                                                               
HB 75 and HB 76 were HELD in Committee for further consideration.              
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
The meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M.                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
                                             H.F.C.   3/25/97 E                
                                                                               
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